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    60 40.54%
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    Quote Originally Posted by memorexxx View Post
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    Kan dat eigenlijk nog dat Bernie toch de kandidaat voor de Democraten wordt als blijkt dat Clinton bijna dood is? Want tbh, zo zag dat creepy filmke er wel uit dat ze in elkaar zakt als een trilpudding?
    Nee, zou niet meer mogelijk moeten zijn. Bernie heeft Clinton endorsed, heeft afgestapt van de verkiezingen en verklaarde zichzelf een onafhankelijke in de toekomst, ipv een Democraat. Dit is eigenlijk voor de 3d parties de uitgelezen kans om hun eigen campagne door te drijven en het alternatief van Trump én Clinton te zijn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Omikron View Post
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    Nee, zou niet meer mogelijk moeten zijn. Bernie heeft Clinton endorsed, heeft afgestapt van de verkiezingen en verklaarde zichzelf een onafhankelijke in de toekomst, ipv een Democraat. Dit is eigenlijk voor de 3d parties de uitgelezen kans om hun eigen campagne door te drijven en het alternatief van Trump én Clinton te zijn.
    De 3rd parties worden door de meeste amerikanen nog steeds als een weggegooide stem gezien...
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    Persoonlijk vind ik het nog steeds beter dan Bernie "no refunds" Sanders zijn.
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    Conversatie tussen twee Amerikanen en ik

    A: I'm a Bernie supporter and yeah a lot of us are salty that we have to choose between two incompetent people to be president.
    B: There's more than 2 choices. What about Gary Johnson or Jill Stein?
    A: There are two that can win.
    B: There are four that can win actually. Gary and Jill are both on the ballot in enough states to be able, mathematically, to win. They just need the votes. And every vote they lose to the whole "they can't win argument" is another vote that makes that a reality. We would already have more parties in office if everyone voted for the candidate they liked, instead of who they are told can win. The reason third party candidates are unable to win is because nobody will vote for them because they are unable to win. It's a cycle. If you want to stop having to choose between two awful candidates, break the cycle. Otherwise nothing will really change in this country and we will continue to have the problems we are having.
    A: I can't break that cycle and I would rather not waste my vote.
    B: Wasting your vote is voting for a candidate you believe is incompetent. A candidate you don't like. A candidate you don't believe in. And you can break that cycle. I've voted straight Democrat every year since I've been eligible to vote. I'm voting for Gary Johnson instead this year. I'm not alone. But you can't wait until the rest of the country hops on-board. They are doing the same thing. If we want to make any sort of progress as a country, some of us have to travel ahead of the pack and trailblaze. We won't accomplish anything by sitting around and perpetuating the status quo.

    If you truly believe that either Trump or Hillary will represent you, by all means vote your conscience. But from the sounds of it, you don't. And if you don't, the best way to ensure your vote isn't wasted is to vote for a candidate that will.
    Ik: I don't think the result will be different no matter what you vote. You waste your vote if you don't vote for the candidate where you believe in. I don't think your state is a swing state, so what does it matter? You're not going to be the one fucker that decisively choosed who is going to be president. Washington is not going to be a swing state, so if you vote Libertarian, Green, Democratic or Republican, it is not going to change the result. You should vote for what you believe in.

    According to Washington Post, the Libertarian Party already has 16 percent there, and as a Sanders stronghold, they have the potential to be a 3rd party stronghold too, so statewide you're definitely not going to waste your vote if you voted for a 3rd party. I believe Libertarians could have 20 or 25 percent of the vote and maybe even surpass one of the major parties (or why no both?)

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    Dus ja ideale kans voor 3rd parties, maar veel Amerikanen zien het nog steeds als een wasted vote, of zijn niet zodanig bezig met politiek dat ze beiden kennen (de helft kent ze niet).

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    Kan dat eigenlijk nog dat Bernie toch de kandidaat voor de Democraten wordt als blijkt dat Clinton bijna dood is? Want tbh, zo zag dat creepy filmke er wel uit dat ze in elkaar zakt als een trilpudding?
    Dan zal ofwel Biden ofwel Tim Kaine overnemen. Als ze tijdens haar presidentschap overlijdt, dan wordt Tim Kaine president. Dat is immers één van de functies van het zijn van een vice-president. Maar er werd ook al gespeculeerd over een vervanging door Joe Biden mocht het e-mail schandaal ontploffen (of er nieuwe dingen naar buiten zouden komen en verschillende instanties aangeven dat ze niet geschikt is om te dienen als POTUS). Bernie Sanders beschikt over een heel ander platform dan Clinton, en dat zal dus nooit gebeuren. Joe Biden deelt op veel gebieden dezelfde standpunten als die van Clinton.

    Ik denk echter niet dat de situatie zodanig ernstig is, dat ze vervangen zal worden door iemand.
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    New poll shows competitive 2016 race in Maine - The Boston Globe

    Maine in 2012 nog ruim naar Obama, heeft nu al drie polls die aangeven dat het zeer close wordt daar.
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    Maine in 2012 nog ruim naar Obama, heeft nu al drie polls die aangeven dat het zeer close wordt daar.
    Zoals ik al aanhaalde: het aantal swing-states is bijzonder groot geworden deze verkiezingen...
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    Race is duidelijk close aan het worden, aan het tightenen.

    Election Update: Has Clinton’s ‘Bad Weekend’ Moved The Polls? | FiveThirtyEight

    Nevada +2 Trump door Monmouth

    Monmouth University

    En alle nationwide polls tied of heel close, clinton vaak met +1/+2 voorsprong, maar een maand geleden was dat ruimer dan +5
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    Mja snap niet hoe je zo een blunder kunt zeggen.... Trump is nog zijn stijl, maar Hilary?
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    Frustratie en we zien ook wat ze er echt van denkt. Ze denkt er het hare over, en dat heeft ze zo dus onrechtstreeks geuit. Medie behandelt Trump al erg vuil, dus is de drempel om dat als persoon of als presidentskandidaat te doen kleiner. Ik zag op Amerikaanse sites al polls verschijnen van "who is the most evil person ever?" en iemand zoals Trump staat daar bij, terwijl iemand als Mao Zedong niet in het lijstje staat.

    CNN geeft ook nu Florida en Ohio al buiten margin of error aan Trump

    http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2016/im...loridapoll.pdf

    http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2016/im...4/ohiopoll.pdf

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    Donald Trump's national gains extend to Florida, Ohio - CNNPolitics.com



    Younger voters, who were a key driver of President Barack Obama's support in both 2008 and 2012, are not lining up as solidly behind Clinton in either state, and they are less likely than older voters to make it through a likely voter screen at this point in the campaign, suggesting they are less enthusiastic about voting in this election.

    vond ik opvallend, same story as Brexit

    Ze zullen nog spijt hebben bernie niet gekozen te hebben.
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    "He's basically made of Teflon at this point, the liberal establishment and media outlets have gone so overboard in trying to demonize him early on (calling him Hitler, getting hyper triggered by his wall idea) and also been caught in too many lies about Trump. He's been misquoted, taken out of context and his position misconstrued so many times that it's a "boy who cried wolf situation". The media has lost all credibility in how they cover Trump, and in the information age people can easily look these things up. And the media bias for Hillary has become so incredibly blatant, at a time of record negativity towards the current mainstream media where independent voters don't trust the media, that the non-stop anti-Trump spam has no effect. No wonder CNN is tanking so much in ratings.


    Also lots of various things have aligned to push Trump forward:
    Hillary attacking the voters, a pretty stupid mistake
    Hillary failing to draw any enthusiasm or people to her rallies, while Trump keeps bringing in big crowds that the media can't ignore
    Hillary collapses on camera, with her handlers dragging her unconscious body into a black van
    Hillary caught lying again about her health, tries to reaffirm her mental health by going after a frog cartoon
    Obama gets completely clowned by other leaders on his trip, total disrespect
    Trump has a great trip to Mexico, looks and sounds very presidential
    Based Assange continue steady flow of leaks showing DNC's corruption and the direct connection in telling mainstream media talking heads what to say
    Trump softened up several positions like his Muslims ban now being just a ban of immigration from ISIS controlled Muslim areas like Syria, doing the whole pivot thing.
    Trump continues going on shows and talking to journalists almost every day, while Hillary continues hiding and relying on her contacts in the media to shill for her (and for paid shilling online)"

    las ik op reddit

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    Maar de meeste polls zijn nog genomen voor haar health crisis en haar "deplorables"-opmerking...
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    Ze zullen nog spijt hebben bernie niet gekozen te hebben.
    Dat krijg je als je je kandidaten voor een democratische verkiezing niet democratisch verkiest in de voorverkiezing. Met Bernie was Trump kansloos...
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    De grootste krant van New Hampshire endorset Gary Johnson
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    Dat krijg je als je je kandidaten voor een democratische verkiezing niet democratisch verkiest in de voorverkiezing. Met Bernie was Trump kansloos...
    Zeker. Bernie was een veel betere keuze dan Hillary, maar Hillary heeft Bernie uitgeschakeld. Iets wat nog altijd heel vreemd is.

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