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    Ik wou dat ik mijn beursduivel aankopen realtime in het echt gedaan had...
    350 euro winst op'n investering van 2500...
    Dat had de fortis-pil verzacht

    *gaat verder leren hoe de beurs werkt*
    Njah, What's Up Doc? -> Last.fm
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    Quote Originally Posted by deathdevil View Post
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    *gaat verder leren hoe de beurs werkt*
    Hier alvast een paar goeie websites met algemene en specifieke informatie :

    Larry Williams Futures Trading Courses, Newsletters, and Education
    InformedTrades: Free Stocks, Forex, Gold Trading Learning & Education (topper!)
    Investment Strategies for the 21st Century, by Frank Armstrong
    Beurs & beleggen met Eufino - De gids voor uw geld op de beurs
    Dividendrendement overzicht van alle aex aandelen
    http://www.analist.nl/

    @frantic : Zo denk ik er ook over. Binnenkort inkopen met het oog op stabiele, redelijk defensieve bedrijven met veel groeimogelijken in de toekomst en een mooi jaarlijks dividend.
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    Mega rally vandaag op Wall Street:

    De Dow Jones zette maandag zijn grootste winst in de geschiedenis neer. De index sloot 11,1 procent hoger op 9.387,61 punten. Ook de andere graadmeters op Wall Street boekten forse winsten nadat overheden en centrale bank het afgelopen weekend het financiële systeem te hulp schoten.

    De Tijd: Dow Jones wint meer dan 900 punten
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    Mooi tekstje voor wie even positiever wil denken (zonder naïef te zijn):

    October 10, 2008 - Lawrence Roulston of Roulston Opportunities
    Wise Words For Investors In A Bear Market

    We have all heard enough about how bad the financial situation is. There is no question that the markets are in a terrible mess. The U.S. credit crisis is serious, it is spreading, and it’s not going to get better over night. The situation is worse than nearly anyone imagined.

    However, there are some bright spots and those bright spots represent investment opportunities.

    As so often happens, the markets act like pendulums, swinging from one extreme to the other. A year and a half ago, the U.S. economy was booming, fuelled by a fraud of gigantic proportions that pushed housing prices and debt to absurd levels. The bursting of that housing bubble saw the pendulum swing to the opposite extreme as investors panicked and sold everything.

    There may be a long period of transition as the various bailout measures kick in and get the economy back on track. But, let’s not forget that the U.S. has been through a number of difficulties and always manages to muddle along and then recover to be stronger than ever. I don’t believe that the U.S. will ever regain the level of supremacy that it once held in the financial world but the current crisis will pass, as it has every time before.

    Look, the U.S. economy is not going to drop into some great black hole in the ground and suck the rest of the world in as some would have you believe.

    As far as the rest of the world is concerned, it doesn’t really matter a great deal if the U.S. economy grows by 1 or 2% or shrinks by 1 or 2%.

    Looking at the metals: China has been and continues to be the most important driver in the metals markets. Headlines are now screaming out that the Chinese economy is slowing. Those few investors who read beyond the headlines will see that China’s pace of growth has slowed from more than 11% a year to just over 10%.

    If you think about it further, you will realize that 10% growth, coming on the larger base, actually represents the same amount of real growth as last year. India is still growing strongly, as is much of Asia. Similarly, the pace of growth is slowing, but is still at a pace that developed countries can only dream of.

    Similarly, the popular press trumpets the fall in the oil price. It is only down when stacked up against the spike earlier in the year when speculators pushed it briefly to $140. When measured against the level of a year ago and two years ago, the oil price is up. Huge amounts of money are flowing to oil exporting nations which, like the Asian nations, are building infrastructure.

    We constantly hear about the bursting of the commodities bubble. Yet, metal prices are still well above long term trends. Iron ore prices are still rising sharply: and definitely not driven by speculators. The prices are set by producers dealing directly with users.

    When President Bush and the Treasury Secretary were trying to sell the bailout package, they painted a picture of dire consequences if the measure did not pass. That message seems to have been taken literally by many investors who are now even more terrified than they were before.

    Whether the U.S. grows by a couple of percent, or shrinks by a couple of percent, other parts of the world continue to grow. It is important to note that the emerging markets are far more intensive users of metals that the developed world. The U.S. is more of a service-oriented economy, whereas China and the other developing nations are more heavily involved in building factories, housing, infrastructure and other things that use a lot of metal.

    The net result is that world-wide demand for metals continues to grow. New sources of supply are needed to match that growing demand and to replace older mines as they are depleted. Much of the mining industry investment in this cycle has been directed to buying existing production.

    The major producing mining companies are being valued on the basis that metal prices will fall hard based on a U.S. recession impacting the rest of the world. That hasn’t happened, and will not happen. And that means that the mining companies are being valued at exceptionally low levels in relation to actual and projected earnings. Teck Cominco represents exceptional value.

    The majors have suffered, but the smaller companies have been beaten down to absurdly low levels. We are already seeing takeovers as the larger companies go MAPS hunting. The smaller and mid-tier companies are beginning to merge. Those deals will be accretive to shareholder value as they will create larger and stronger companies.

    Recovery in the junior mining sector will not be the same for all companies. Those companies that need to raise money in the near term will continue to face real challenges. Many will have to look to joint ventures, asset sales and mergers to find the money they need to move forward.

    There are many small companies with defined metal deposits, strong management, and cash. Those companies will come back early in the recovery.

    Some commentators worry that there will be no money for mine development. Clearly, if a junior walked into a bank tomorrow and asked to borrow a few hundred million dollars to develop a mine, they would get a rather chilly reception.

    However, the smelter companies, the metal trading companies, and the majors are awash in cash and are seeking new supplies. Baja Mining recently completed an $800 million financing package to develop a mine in Mexico. They worked with a consortium of Korean metal companies. The market seems to have missed the fact that Baja’s project is now funded and well on its way to production. Base metal companies are out of favour, making advanced-stage deals like Baja excellent investment opportunities.

    Once the panic subsides, there will be a great many banks and other investors who welcome the opportunity to invest in tangible assets instead of the alphabet soup of financial hocus pocus that was on offer for the past few years.

    I believe that the current financial mess will result in a return to more fundamental-based investing and that move will benefit mine developers. It won’t happen overnight, but it will come.

    The message here is that those juniors that hold metal deposits that can be developed into mines will see a return to more rational values. Those companies that are still hoping to find a metal deposit at some time in the future may have longer to wait.

    There is lots of cash available among the larger mining companies. Just looking in Canada, we see Barrick with nearly $2 billion, and Teck, Goldcorp and Inmet all sitting on more than a billion dollars of cash.

    What I’m saying here applies equally to precious metals, base metals, minor metals and uranium. We aren’t looking to gains in the commodity prices. We are looking to companies that are adding value to their assets.

    The most immediate market action is likely to come in the gold sector.

    The cost of the financial bailout in the U.S. is measured in the trillions of dollars. The latest bailout package was $850 billion, including the tax breaks thrown in to get it approved. Add in the earlier bailouts and recognize that nationalizing Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac added $5 trillion dollars of liabilities to the U.S. government, bringing the total debt to $14 trillion.

    Don’t forget the on-going wars in Afghanistan and Iraq and the huge trade deficit. The dollar was falling sharply before the burden of the bailouts was added. European governments are also conducting bailouts of failed banks.

    Ironically, the bailouts have hurt the price of gold. That is a short term reaction, as traders seem to reason: “OK, the U.S. financial system isn’t going to collapse this week, I don’t need to own gold”, and they dump their holdings.

    Anybody who takes a longer term perspective will realize that if a government simply keeps spending enormous amounts of money that it doesn’t have on things that do not generate a return for the economy, then the value of the currency will decline.

    The whole financial mess, for many investors, has destroyed confidence in the global financial system.

    Right now, investors seeking safety are flocking to U.S. treasury bills. That is particularly ironic, as the dollar, in the longer term, will suffer the most from the bailouts and the plummeting confidence. In time, gold will be the biggest beneficiary.

    I can’t tell you what the gold price will be tomorrow, or next week or next month. Nobody can. I can tell you with certainty that the gold price will be high enough that the major gold producers will continue to mine it. As long as gold companies are mining gold, they will be looking for new deposits to at least offset the amount mined each year. The juniors will continue to play an important role in finding and developing new gold deposits.

    It doesn’t really matter what the gold price is: a new discovery will generate big returns for shareholders of a junior gold company. Advancing a deposit toward production will generate returns for shareholders of a junior gold company.

    It’s not hard to make the case that the situation in the junior mining sector will improve in time. Of course, we all want to know precisely when the markets will turn around.

    Just remember that the situation always looks bleakest at the bottom of the market and it looks rosiest at the top of the market. It requires a lot of nerve to invest contrary to what appears to be the right thing to do. At present, at least on the surface, this appears to be a really bad time to be investing. And that makes it the best time to be buying.

    The greatest gains come from buying at the bottom of the markets and selling at the tops. That means buying when prevailing wisdom says it is a bad time.

    We will never know exactly when the bottom is. Here are some things to consider at present. Over the past few weeks, Warren Buffet has invested $12.7 billion into the markets, including $5 billion into Goldman Sachs, one of the investment banks. The popular press thinks it strange that Buffet is investing at a time when things are so bad. But, that is precisely how he became the world’s richest investor.

    Other signs that the worst may be over: the U.S. bailout has been approved. It will take some weeks for the program to be implemented, but at least bankers know there will be relief coming. The failed banks are being snapped up quickly by other banks. In the latest deal, Citigroup tried to scoop up Wachovia within a day of its collapsing, but they were outbid by Wells Fargo.

    Citigroup, which had the smarts to avoid the moves that led other banks into trouble, published a report last month that examined the commodities. They concluded: "It is important not to lose sight of the long term picture. We regard these conditions as a correction ... in a secular bull market. The drivers of the super cycle - urbanisation and industrialization in China and supply shortfalls are intact. Indeed the next up-cycle could be even more powerful than its predecessor."

    If that report had come from one of the failed banks, I would not have paid much attention. Citi had enough smarts to avoid the mistakes that overtook so many of the other banks.

    Investors are not going to suddenly rush back into the junior resource markets. But, those who buy the solid companies at the present severely depressed prices stand to enjoy big gains in the fullness of time.

    The most immediate reaction will come from within the industry. Smaller companies will merge in deals that add shareholder value. The larger companies will be taking over smaller companies with good deposits.

    To give an indication of the valuations: At present, major gold companies are valued on the basis of just under $200 per ounce of total gold resources. Juniors, on average, are valued at a mere $29 per ounce. At prices like that, the juniors must look extremely enticing to the larger companies. Obviously, there would be takeover premiums that would generate returns from the current price levels.

    Companies like CGA Mining, which is close to production, look very attractive.Another interesting area is platinum: the price is down 60% from the $2,300 level earlier this year. Demand is growing and supplies are constrained. The market was clobbered by a big selloff by a platinum ETF. Eastern Platinum is making big profits even at the current price and will do very well with a rebound.

    It’s a similar situation for silver: development stories like Bear Creek, small producers like Aurcana and Great Panther.

    Uranium is going to come back in the not too distant future. Hathor has made a very important discovery and is not getting full value. Soon enough, investors will again wake up to the fact there is an energy shortage and uranium stocks will again become popular.

    Panic selling at this stage is definitely the wrong thing to do. Taking advantage of the panic selling of others could net you some good companies at attractive prices. Be selective. Be patient. The market will come back.


    Ben trouwens aan het zoeken waarom Nyrstar zo afgestraft is. Panic selling? Iemand die wat meer thuis is in het aandeel? Ik ga waarschijnlijk deze week nog en 4-5k euro in mijn porto injecteren. 1/3de in mijnen, 1 à 2 defensieve aandelen die een klap hebben gekregen en misschien nog iets.
    WANN DU DEINE PFERDEKOPF NICHT GESCHLOSSEN HALT GEHEN WIR DU EINEM FACIAL GIEBEN
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    Vanaf 11 uur is het aandeel van Fortis weer te koop?
    Is het slim om te kopen of moeten we nog steeds denken:
    "Never catch a falling knife"?
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    of omgekeerd, is het slim om te verkopen, waarschijnlijk voor een appel en een ei. of beter de verschillende rechtszaken afwachten?

    PS Mondrikamen vraagt minimaal 150 eur per gedupeerde KLEINE aandeelhouder !
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    Koers Fortis tuimelt 64 procent bij hervatting.
    Damn.
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    2€ atm voor een fortis aandeeltje; -64%
    Ik wacht in ieder geval nog wat met verkopen (gekocht aan 5.5€ - gelukkig maar klein bedrag), als ik nu verkoop schiet er helemaal niets meer over

    Waarom denken jullie dat dexia nog eens gaat terugvallen? Beurzen doet het nu toch (overdreven??) goed?

    Ik heb iig wat funds vrijgemaakt om eventueel nog wat aan te kopen als ze terug dalen.
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    2€ atm voor een fortis aandeeltje; -64%
    Ik wacht in ieder geval nog wat met verkopen (gekocht aan 5.5€ - gelukkig maar klein bedrag), als ik nu verkoop schiet er helemaal niets meer over

    Waarom denken jullie dat dexia nog eens gaat terugvallen? Beurzen doet het nu toch (overdreven??) goed?

    Ik heb iig wat funds vrijgemaakt om eventueel nog wat aan te kopen als ze terug dalen.
    beurzen doen het goed? ivm afgelopen rampmaanden bedoel je?
    Let us pray for all the fools that be
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    Quote Originally Posted by M_N_M View Post
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    2€ atm voor een fortis aandeeltje; -64%
    Ik wacht in ieder geval nog wat met verkopen (gekocht aan 5.5€ - gelukkig maar klein bedrag), als ik nu verkoop schiet er helemaal niets meer over

    Waarom denken jullie dat dexia nog eens gaat terugvallen? Beurzen doet het nu toch (overdreven??) goed?

    Ik heb iig wat funds vrijgemaakt om eventueel nog wat aan te kopen als ze terug dalen.
    net terug van mijn bankier en die zei dat ze volgend jaar een recessie verwachten en dat de VS wss het eerst zal recupereren. goddamn verlies van 01-01 tot vandaag €50.000,- en bij de andere bank was het vorige week al net zo catastrofaal.
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    beurzen doen het goed? ivm afgelopen rampmaanden bedoel je?
    tuurlijk ivm de afgelopen maanden
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    en de euro herstelt zich licht
    goed nieuws voor mij
    Let us pray for all the fools that be
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    zotjes dat het aandeel zo snel gedaald is... strax is kijken of men aandelen nu verkocht zijn of niet, alleszins een licht katertje aan over gehouden
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    al 1.73 momenteel. Al die 'goeie huisvaders' zitten met de handen in het haar

    'Doe mij een toppertje en een breezer ananas en doe er ook maar een dubbele whiskey bij'
    Let us pray for all the fools that be
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    Als je nog Fortis aandelen bezit, kan je beter nog houden. Al zou ik tussen 2.8 en 3.2 wel eieren kiezen voor mijn geld

    Ik ben nu op zoek naar een goede obilgatie, of ander product, dat veilig is, en een goede opbrengt opbrengt, aangezien de rentevoet volgens mij omlaag zal gaan vanaf nu (ik verwacht een gem. rente van 2.75% in 2009).
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